Comic 243 - Talbot's Way

29th Jul 2020, 12:00 AM
Talbot's Way
Average Rating: 5 (2 votes)

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Wartooth 29th Jul 2020, 12:53 AM edit delete reply
Wartooth
Where do people get that notion that werewolves are feral monsters?
PeterVonBrown 29th Jul 2020, 2:59 AM edit delete reply
PeterVonBrown
Because there are werewolves out there who behave badly. Have another peek at page 107 A Brief History. At the present time, not too many 'wolves are out and about in the rest of the world, and the ones who are don't necessarily know how to control the beast so they do act vicious and cruel when the full moon comes. Therefore, people only tend to recall or experience werewolves as a force to be feared. Also, on the first page of the comic, it's shown that humans don't even realize they can be a wolf at will without the moon.
LegendaryLycanthrope 29th Jul 2020, 3:46 AM edit delete reply
LegendaryLycanthrope
you know, i have to wonder how people in real life would react if they ran across an actual werewolf, assuming it wasn't the typical depiction of a bloodthirsty monster

i figure there'd be several different groups all wanting to do different things...you'd have the group wanting to kill the monster (mostly religious people would be part of that group, i think), the group wanting to study it (consensually or not) a group wanting to be turned by it, a group wanting to run up and pet it/take pictures with it/etc.., a group wanting to have it as a pet (again, consensually or not, and that would mainly be rich people, i'd think, as they love their exotic pets), a group wanting to either hire or enslave it for labor and a group who would want to sleep with it...in wolf form

given the amount of werewolf porn i've stumbled across, i get the feeling that last group is pretty sizable
Indagare 29th Jul 2020, 8:20 AM edit delete reply
Indagare
Hi Legendary Lycanthrope,

Well, what you mention is something that keeps puzzling me too. There's enough RL fiction with folks portraying 'wolves in positive ways that more or less universal hostility seems unlikely. On the other side, of course, is that Wolverton wouldn't exist if it were an entirely 'wolf friendly world.

I'm not sure there'd be a good way to split the difference on it, especially since the story is focused on the good 'wolves of Wolverton. Each of them has a reason for being there, and some (like Oskar) end up being able to leave once they're accepted.

To be honest, I've been curious how Oskar's thing ended up working out since even if his family accepted him that doesn't mean the community at large would and being old enough to remember "don't ask don't tell" I can't imagine wanting to go back to a situation where you have to hide yourself out of fear.
PeterVonBrown 29th Jul 2020, 9:21 AM edit delete reply
PeterVonBrown
Indagare - Oskar will be showing up "soon" (he's a just a wee bit off from where I currently am in making the pages) and I can have him address those concerns for you. I've thought about and known the answers ahead of time anyway, so it's just as well to have him discuss it with Talbot who's been a "wolf at large" himself. :)
Indagare 29th Jul 2020, 12:33 PM edit delete reply
Indagare
Thanks a lot Peter! I know that "soon" might be a while, but I'm also glad to know you thought about it (and it's not just me overthinking again as I do).

As to what you said to Legendary Lycanthrope, I've certainly seen that too, but the fact there are stories of good 'wolves (not to mention the sheer amount of erotica) means I can't help but wonder what it'd be like if a furry or "monster" lover/enthusiast were the one encountering them.

(A running joke between me and one of my friends is that a 'wolf might be in danger at a furry con, not from hostilities but from too many people wanting the poor 'wolf to bite them :-P).
LegendaryLycanthrope 29th Jul 2020, 7:26 PM edit delete reply
LegendaryLycanthrope
Indagare - funnily enough, someone's actually done a (fictional, of course) 'what if?' of someone actually meeting a werewolf and his potential reaction...i think you may be familiar with the artist

OWA #39 - Werewolfies
Indagare 29th Jul 2020, 8:26 PM edit delete reply
Indagare
Ah, yes, I remember Ordinary Werewolf Adventures #39. :-) Both my friend and I watch that artist.
PeterVonBrown 29th Jul 2020, 9:17 AM edit delete reply
PeterVonBrown
LegendaryLycanthrope - There likely are such folks to each degree as you mention. However as with most other situations/questions, it's not necessary nor feasible to depict them here. Actually, one of your scenarios will arise, as per the original planning stages of the comic, but a whole heck of a lot has to play out before we're even remotely close to it coming into play.

I guess I picked up my showing people as having general hostility and fear of them based upon the alleged eye-witness accounts of what's presumed to be werewolves in real life (such as the Michigan Dogman, etc.) [Yes, I'm aware the Dogman may or may not be an actual werewolf but the fact remains that they're reactions to a large canine hybrid human frightening the hell out of folks.]
LegendaryLycanthrope 29th Jul 2020, 9:48 AM edit delete reply
LegendaryLycanthrope
while it wouldn't apply to sightings several decades old, i'm pretty sure any modern sightings of anthropomorphic creatures (whether they be dogman, bigfoot or something else) are probably just people wandering around in fursuits - either unintentionally (because their fursonas happened to be those cryptids or based off them enough to be mistaken for them and they happened to be wandering around outdoors at the time while in suit), or deliberately to keep the legends alive or just having a giggle forking with people

also, is it just me or did they change something with the comment system? posts used to go at the bottom of a chain, no matter who you quoted, now they seem to be going directly under the quoted post - mostly, anyway; indgare's first post is still stuck at the bottom, and yours didn't go under mine, but mine went under yours...maybe it's just screwy
PeterVonBrown 29th Jul 2020, 10:16 AM edit delete reply
PeterVonBrown
I'm not suggesting the Dogman or any other cryptid is real. I'm saying that the people who see/report them (regardless of whether or not they believe it or are just looking for attention), on the whole, express only surprise, alarm and fear as part of their report.

As for the comment nesting, I've no control over that since the comic is posted by the grace of a hosting site and comment nesting isn't one of the aspects I can tweak.
Indagare 29th Jul 2020, 5:35 AM edit delete reply
Indagare
Hi Wartooth,

Peter and I discussed this at length a while back (among other things).
Psyker01 29th Jul 2020, 8:09 AM edit delete reply
"in retrospect, walking around naked didn't help matters"
PeterVonBrown 29th Jul 2020, 9:12 AM edit delete reply
PeterVonBrown
Talbot being "just in his fur" is mentioned in the comic when he first arrives in town, by both Darkfang and Dwight of Loup Garou. The way I picture it, any naughty bits are covered up by a substantial amount of fur so as to not be obtrusive or offensive. If you're thinking of presenting some actuality in terms of animal physiology as to why this would or should not be the case - it's a cartoon, playing with and by cartoon conventions. As I mentioned elsewhere in commentary, anthropomorphic animals often get away with not having pants, for instance. Such is the case here, "justified" in-comic with what I said above, as per my right to depict werewolfery as I see fit given there are no "definitive laws" due to a wide range of cultural differences.
Psyker01 29th Jul 2020, 11:12 AM edit delete reply
I apperciate your explaination and found it interesting, but I was making an joke. I figured the townspeople didnt appreicate an werewolf wandering around their town. Especally one not wearing any clothes.
PeterVonBrown 29th Jul 2020, 11:24 AM edit delete reply
PeterVonBrown
Ah, okay. Sometimes with all the queries it's difficult to tell. :) I truly appreciate you reading my comic and taking the time to comment!
Joshua Sturm 29th Jul 2020, 8:27 AM edit delete reply
Joshua Sturm
Aww but ya gots love the pizza-loving werewolf ;n;
Especially if he’sa repeat customer, I’d think about reaching out to hang out
PeterVonBrown 29th Jul 2020, 9:32 AM edit delete reply
PeterVonBrown
Maybe... just maybe... down the road, I'll work out a story wherein someone does just that. But again, it will be a while until I get through the rest of the stories unfolding.
Indagare 29th Jul 2020, 4:28 PM edit delete reply
Indagare
Hey Peter,

Are you familiar with the fable of the Fox and the Lion?
LegendaryLycanthrope 30th Jul 2020, 2:25 AM edit delete reply
LegendaryLycanthrope
is that the aesop's fable that can basically be condensed down to 'familiarity breeds contempt'?
Indagare 30th Jul 2020, 4:33 AM edit delete reply
Indagare
Hi Legendary Lycanthrope!

Yes, that's one way to view it. However, it could (in this case) be used as 'familiarity breeds acceptance'; if you see something weird or scary often enough it eventually stops being weird or scary.
LegendaryLycanthrope 30th Jul 2020, 4:45 AM edit delete reply
LegendaryLycanthrope
yeah, that perfectly describes my initial reaction to several types of naughties that i now deeply enjoy

and this perfectly sums it up too

EDIT: jesus, these image links are huge...i wonder if there's some code i can use to shrink them a bit
EDIT2: apparently not...i don't know what style of bbcode comicfury uses, but apparently it doesn't use any of the ones that allow resizing code inside the img tag

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Indagare 30th Jul 2020, 7:18 AM edit delete reply
Indagare
Heh, cool image Legendary. :-)

I mention it mainly because while I could see folks (and the pizza person) freaking out initially, as Talbot continued to do it (and be friendly), it should have rubbed off on them. So yeah a werewolf is weird/scary but, being friendly, leaves you with a good impression. Then you see him again, friendly as ever, and it's less weird/scary, and so on until finally you see the 'wolf and wave hi because, well, you're used to him and he's always nice, so why not? Essentially seeing a werewolf has become old hat.
PeterVonBrown 30th Jul 2020, 7:30 AM edit delete reply
PeterVonBrown
Page 2 of the comic shows the most amount of time Talbot ever spent in the parlor. The other few times he said, "Pick up for Talbot!" and got the box shoved at him as shown here. So there'd not been that much to go on as to him being friendly, but yes, perhaps the clerk could have been less afraid. He did muster enough courage to confront him when the 'new policy' went into effect. And even if the clerk did become more familiar, the other customers (different each time) would have been freaked out and they (parlor owners) wanted to avoid any altercations. Talbot certainly hoped The Fox and the Lion lesson would take hold. :)
PeterVonBrown 30th Jul 2020, 7:14 AM edit delete reply
PeterVonBrown
Indagare - No, I had not been familiar with The Fox and the Lion. I'm not sure how the heck that happened, as I love foxes. (You might recall seeing Gavin with a fox character on his shirt - it's one of mine from my youth.) It's a wonderful little tale, and I thank you for bringing it to my attention. It certainly would apply to encounters with a werewolf. [And sorry for the delay in responding, I couldn't get to the computer until now.]
Indagare 30th Jul 2020, 7:26 AM edit delete reply
Indagare
Hi Peter!

It's cool. I always figure real life before online stuff, so when folks can get back (if they can) that's just fine. :-)

I do remember! I'm really glad you like it!

Thanks! I was reminded of it with Talbot's reasoning, which seemed to be along the same lines (and as I and Legendary Lycanthrope were just discussing).

It's unfortunate that, just as some people becoming familiar with Talbot should make them friendlier with him, other folks, with their fear removed, would be unafraid to say nasty things to him too (as we saw).

Also, as I mentioned, there are certain folks (like furries) who would find a real werewolf adorable on sight. Sure, they might assume that its' someone in a very realistic costume at first, but finding out that it's the real deal would be unlikely to dampen their enthusiasm (indeed, there's a better-than-even chance they might want the 'wolf to bite them).
PeterVonBrown 30th Jul 2020, 7:34 AM edit delete reply
PeterVonBrown
Indeed. Also, don't forget that on one level, the comic serves a metaphor for people's intolerance of other folks being themselves in public.
Indagare 30th Jul 2020, 11:44 AM edit delete reply
Indagare
Hi Peter,

I do understand that, and X-men is very similar that way. I guess my problem is that, at heart, I believe the sort of things that DC tends to sell more than Marvel: that people can be better than they are and, if faced against prejudice, will fight it to make the world a better place for everyone.

That, perhaps, may make me too optimistic by nature.
LegendaryLycanthrope 30th Jul 2020, 7:40 AM edit delete reply
LegendaryLycanthrope
not just furries - therianthropes and otherkin too - and they wouldn't just want werewolf bites, they'd want the actual werewolf too; werewolf boyfriends are a thing, and so are 14 werewolves

also, that description makes me think of another image i stumbled across (this time i'm just putting a link to it instead of linking directly because the images get sized way too big) Test of Courage
Indagare 30th Jul 2020, 11:59 AM edit delete reply
Indagare
Very true Legendary.

Very cool! Thanks for sharing that!
LegendaryLycanthrope 31st Jul 2020, 6:24 AM edit delete reply
LegendaryLycanthrope
so when do we find out if that giant hole in his backyard was from him going wild or something else? and also who killed that human, because i don't see talbot having done it
PeterVonBrown 31st Jul 2020, 9:45 AM edit delete reply
PeterVonBrown
Talbot already established that Theriolus Instigata caused him to tear up his back yard on page 152 Suspicion. He'll also mention it to Floyd on page 246. Can't say for sure when the answer comes for the characters about the murder. I know the storylines, but create the pages as I go and there's lots to juggle as you know. Also, new ideas work their way into what's already planned and therefore cause the insertion of unforeseen pages (such as an upcoming [though already seeded] puppy storyline - the puppies weren't in the comic's origins). However, we do have a clear indication that Talbot didn't do it - his Magic 8 Ball told him so on page 170 Response-A-Ball. He's still shaken up and doubtful, though, as you'll see on upcoming pages. But he does again recall the 8 Ball denied it, and knows that in theory it should always be trusted. Yet something so heinous naturally still unnerves him. I'd have thought the answer obvious, but that just could be because I'm on this side of the art. ;) I can say that a big clue for readers should be coming into play under that pesky "soon" determination of time.
Indagare 31st Jul 2020, 9:50 AM edit delete reply
Indagare
With regards to the attack, I've often wondered if it was a regular animal attack or a werewolf attack. Talbot, being a very decent sort, is going to be deeply upset no matter what.

If you mean by who/what killed the person, besides it obviously not being Talbot, I don't recall there were enough clues to determine anything more.
LegendaryLycanthrope 31st Jul 2020, 10:15 AM edit delete reply
LegendaryLycanthrope
well, my indication he didn't do it was there was no DNA, video/photos, non-biased witnesses, fur matching his or the phrase 'cheese and crackers' spray-painted above the body
LegendaryLycanthrope 3rd Aug 2020, 12:21 PM edit delete reply
LegendaryLycanthrope
and regarding an obvious answer of who did the killing...for it to be an obvious answer, it would have to have been a character we were already introduced to up to this point...and the only wolves with the temperament to do something like that that we know of are boss edgywolf and his coywolf minions